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this is all in reference to the president's drone program, but john mccain and lindsey graham coming out in support of what the president has done, lindsey graham calling into question where were republicans during president bush's administration when they were using drones. joining me on set is ayman mull ha dean, you know firsthand from the work you've doane overseas, so we have the house judiciary committee, scheduled toic take up this conversation as well, certainly transparency is something that we want, but when we hear senator mccain mentioning the u.s. citizen that was killed in 2011, there was an op-ed piece in "wall street journal" "wall street journal" talking about what it means to be an enemy combatant. he was considered to be an enemy combatant, but in yemen. can a drone be used here if an enemy combatant is on american soil here. how will the conversation go? >> i think these are fundamental questions that have not been debated in the united states when it comes to applies the drone policy overseas. this is part of the criticism that many have against the united states
this is all in reference to the president's drone program, but john mccain and lindsey graham coming out in support of what the president has done, lindsey graham calling into question where were republicans during president bush's administration when they were using drones. joining me on set is ayman mull ha dean, you know firsthand from the work you've doane overseas, so we have the house judiciary committee, scheduled toic take up this conversation as well, certainly transparency is...
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graham camp than the rand paul camp. however, it was striking to a lot of people that the bright stars of the republican party like florida senator marco rubio and texas senator ted cruz joined rand paul in the filibuster against the obama administration's drone poll sane i think that's what really fired up folks like mccain and graham seeing some of the young stars of the republican party, the young tea party stars going on a tangent regarding national security and foreign policy and the republican party definitely isn't known for. >> let's play what rand paul -- just gave an interview this morning to glenn beck on his radio show. here's a little bit of what rand paul said regarding his critics. let's play it. >> government were comprised of angels we wouldn't need rules and so i try to make it less about president obama and more about what if some day we elect someone who wouldn't -- who would abuse this power? >> senator, there's been some criticism of your filibuster last night including from apparently lindsey graha
graham camp than the rand paul camp. however, it was striking to a lot of people that the bright stars of the republican party like florida senator marco rubio and texas senator ted cruz joined rand paul in the filibuster against the obama administration's drone poll sane i think that's what really fired up folks like mccain and graham seeing some of the young stars of the republican party, the young tea party stars going on a tangent regarding national security and foreign policy and the...
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and the one senator who put it together lindsey graham september osent ought a tweet today, he said hope it serves as the beginning of a new paradigm where people in elected office actually talk to each other about meaningful issues. one of the senators who i spoke with said that what struck him was the fact that the president sort of can got to understand better the republicans and the republicans got to understand the president better. and he said that that was even more of a shocker i think to republicans, that the president is actually sincere in where he's coming from. i have a very unsophisticated word to describe this. duh. this is human relationships and it should have been happening for years and years. to understand each other, baseline of that, that has to happen before they can talk across party lines. >> wolf, didn't we have this conversation in 2009 and it had to do with beer and a beer summit and it was sitting down as regular people just like the picture shows you, trying to get over an impasse by just sitting down to either a good meal or a good beer? >> once you establi
and the one senator who put it together lindsey graham september osent ought a tweet today, he said hope it serves as the beginning of a new paradigm where people in elected office actually talk to each other about meaningful issues. one of the senators who i spoke with said that what struck him was the fact that the president sort of can got to understand better the republicans and the republicans got to understand the president better. and he said that that was even more of a shocker i think...
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remember, he's had john mccain and lindsey graham for example over to the white house recently to talk about immigration and they also did talk about this sequester. but the president's going to leave the white house, go to a hotel in washington, d.c. there will be more than a half a dozen republican senators there. the president extended the invitation. the republicans apparently came up with a list of who's going to attend. we'll see if they sequester the wine list or free throw the conversation. remember last week, the president was running around the country saying if the budget cuts went into effect -- we've seen in the last 24 hour, going to have dinner with republican senators tonight. going to go up to capitol hill next week and talk to republican senators on their turf. he's also going to go over to the house, republicans control the house of representatives. that's the president's biggest problem right now and he's going to meet with them as well. now, he's done these meetings in the past, but to have it happen so quickly, this quick pivot right after the argument over budget
remember, he's had john mccain and lindsey graham for example over to the white house recently to talk about immigration and they also did talk about this sequester. but the president's going to leave the white house, go to a hotel in washington, d.c. there will be more than a half a dozen republican senators there. the president extended the invitation. the republicans apparently came up with a list of who's going to attend. we'll see if they sequester the wine list or free throw the...
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as you heard lindsey graham there say how the cuts affect defense is now a big concern to him and especially to senator john mccain who joined me earlier. >> as you know, meetings at the white house today on the sequester, met for an hour and a half. i mean, do you get the sense -- the sense i get is the american people are fed up, sick of hearing about this, sick of this kind of finger pointing. who do you blame? >> i think everybody can share some of the blame. and i will admit to being a partisan republican. but i believe it is the job of the president of the united states, particularly as commander in chief, when we're talking about the effects on defense here. i believed a year ago that the president should call people into the office and start negotiating. but having said that, i will accept blame, and i think republicans voted for it. but again, i think the president should be leading. and we should be sitting down and really ready to do whatever is necessary to prevent, in my view, a blow to national defense. >> you have been in washington for a long time, and you know, we had jordan
as you heard lindsey graham there say how the cuts affect defense is now a big concern to him and especially to senator john mccain who joined me earlier. >> as you know, meetings at the white house today on the sequester, met for an hour and a half. i mean, do you get the sense -- the sense i get is the american people are fed up, sick of hearing about this, sick of this kind of finger pointing. who do you blame? >> i think everybody can share some of the blame. and i will admit to...
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as you heard lindsey graham there say how the cuts affect defense is now a big concern to him and especially to senator john mccain who joined me earlier. >> as you know, meetings at the white house today on the sequester, met for an hour and a half. i mean, do you get the sense -- the sense i get is the american people are fed up, sick of hearing about this, sick of this kind of finger pointing. who do you blame? >> i think everybody can share some of the blame. and i will admit to being a partisan republican. but i believe it is the job of the president of the united states, particularly as commander in chief, when we're talking about the effects on defense here. i believed a year ago that the president should call people into the office and start negotiating. but having said that, i will accept blame, and i think republicans voted for it. but again, i think the president should be leading. and we should be sitting down and really ready to do whatever is necessary to prevent, in my view, a blow to national defense. >> you have been in washington for a long time, and you know, we had jordan
as you heard lindsey graham there say how the cuts affect defense is now a big concern to him and especially to senator john mccain who joined me earlier. >> as you know, meetings at the white house today on the sequester, met for an hour and a half. i mean, do you get the sense -- the sense i get is the american people are fed up, sick of hearing about this, sick of this kind of finger pointing. who do you blame? >> i think everybody can share some of the blame. and i will admit to...
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graham, they accused you of theaterics or political stunt i think senator mccain used. is this a fair debate and how do you respond to that? >> i think it's a good debate. i think they're on the wrong side of history. >> greta: do you mind they called it a stunt? >> i don't admire that kind of add homonym, but they've been arguing you can indefinitely detain a u.s. citizen, i asked senator mccain directly can you send a u.s. citizen to guantanamo bay without a trial forever? and his answer was yes, if i deem them to be a safety risk. problem is that's an accusation, if a government or a politician calls you an enemy combatant, is that enough to whisk you off to guantanamo bay or is that enough to have a drone strike on you? and see, both of these senators argue that america is part of the battlefield for the laws of war apply. well, the laws of war sometimes don't involve due process and i acknowledge that. if soldiers -- if the enemy is shooting at our soldiers, there is no due process involved with that, we shoot back to kill. there are no judges and juries, but ameri
graham, they accused you of theaterics or political stunt i think senator mccain used. is this a fair debate and how do you respond to that? >> i think it's a good debate. i think they're on the wrong side of history. >> greta: do you mind they called it a stunt? >> i don't admire that kind of add homonym, but they've been arguing you can indefinitely detain a u.s. citizen, i asked senator mccain directly can you send a u.s. citizen to guantanamo bay without a trial forever?...
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senator lindsey graham one of the republicans dining with the president. this might be a dr. phil moment. take a listen. >> i see the president reaching out. everybody wants to, you know, be dr. phil about what he is doing. i'm assuming the president wants to talk serious buy about -- seriously about the issues of the day. he will go up to capitol hill. he rarely does that meet separately with all four democrats. same in the senate. first time he has really done that since 2010, shep. >> shepard: this is a new strategy to do, what? >> well, is he sort of going around the leadership. if you look at some the faces that will be there, more rank and file senators like lindsey graham. not people on the list that not there speaker john boehner mitch mcconnell who he hasn't had a lot of progress with. going through some of the rank and file. is he not worried about that jay carney says this is all about trying to find different ways to bring people together. take a listen. >> frankly, i wish he had done more of that over the years. we have had all of this very limited interaction wi
senator lindsey graham one of the republicans dining with the president. this might be a dr. phil moment. take a listen. >> i see the president reaching out. everybody wants to, you know, be dr. phil about what he is doing. i'm assuming the president wants to talk serious buy about -- seriously about the issues of the day. he will go up to capitol hill. he rarely does that meet separately with all four democrats. same in the senate. first time he has really done that since 2010, shep....
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who they might be able to negotiate, including lindsey graham. let's listen to what senator graham had to say. >> he's calling people, this is how you solve hard problems. he's working the phones, talking about, you know, following up on that, and how can we get more people in the mix. so what i see from the president is incredibly encouraging. maybe because of sequestration and frustration with the public. the time is right to act and what i see from the president is probably the most encouraging engagement on a big issue i've seen since the early years of his presidency. >> how long was your conversation? >> he wants to do the big deal. i think to get our democratic friends to move on entitlements, we're going to have to move on revenue by flattening the tax code, eliminating deductions, and preserving some of that money for the debt. i just think we know what to do, we know how to end this, what the big deal should be made of. >> jared, does that sound like a big opening to you, with lindsey graham, something of a breakthrough, when he says, w
who they might be able to negotiate, including lindsey graham. let's listen to what senator graham had to say. >> he's calling people, this is how you solve hard problems. he's working the phones, talking about, you know, following up on that, and how can we get more people in the mix. so what i see from the president is incredibly encouraging. maybe because of sequestration and frustration with the public. the time is right to act and what i see from the president is probably the most...
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>> he's got lindsey grahams digits. >> the president asked that i get together a group. >> 11 public senators. >> i was honored. >> you know lindsey graham is ready. >> in the coming days and weerks i'm going to continue reaching out. >> he's absolutely determined to get something done. >> the gop has been tagged the party of no. >> now you have speaker boehner saying -- >> the president got his tax hikes. he got his tax hikes. the president got his tax hikes. >> there is still incentive among a lot of republicans to not cooperate with this president. >> all they really need is a hug and a lunch. >> i wish he had done more of that over the years. >> president obama is not their mom. >> where this goes, i don't know. >> there is a caucus of common sense in the coming days and coming weeks. i'm going to keep on reaching out. >> i've been relatively fair to barack obama. >> he doesn't do anything. >> it's jack what you're saying. >> he's not trying to solve the fiscal cliff. now i'm really angry. >>> president obama has just finished a working dinner with 12 republican senators, the sta
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>> and peter, we did hear from republican senators mitch mcconnell, lindsey graham, among them, criticizing the obama administration for bringing this guy to civilian court. graham said the administration, quote, snuck him in under the nose of congress. do you think that's a valid criticism? >> i'm not sure, but i wantled to amplify and second what john was saying. there's nowhere worse in the world to be an alleged terrorist than in new york's state federal court. the conviction rate in new york state for these kinds of crimes are 100%. the conviction rate at guantanamo is less than 1%. in fact, some of the convictions in guantanamo have actually been overturned and the sentences that have been handed down have been minkuehl because it's time served and whatever country the accused terrorist comes from. so both on the question of the fact that the senators are quite sure that the convictions have been overturned, that very few cases have actually been tried, guantanamo is not a very realistic place to put anybody. >> peter bergen, appreciate you being on, john miller as well. let us know k
>> and peter, we did hear from republican senators mitch mcconnell, lindsey graham, among them, criticizing the obama administration for bringing this guy to civilian court. graham said the administration, quote, snuck him in under the nose of congress. do you think that's a valid criticism? >> i'm not sure, but i wantled to amplify and second what john was saying. there's nowhere worse in the world to be an alleged terrorist than in new york's state federal court. the conviction...
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let's hear a little more of senator lindsey graham. >> he's a man to himself. you got to remember, senator paul was the one senator who voted against a resolution that said the policy of the united states will not be to contain a nuclear capable iran. >> david, is this a sign of old gop versus newer guard of the gop? >> no. actually it's not. there's always been a split on the conservative movement within the republican party between interventionist republicans, neocons, and those who are isolationists. whether it's patrick buchanan or rand paul and others, some of whom have raised fourth amendment issues when it comes to things domestically. and this -- we've just never had these guys get the platform the way rand paul has seized it. and i think it makes john mccain and lindsey graham quite nervous because rand paul is, indeed, appealing to some tea party types, libertarian types, noninterventionist conservatives, as well as the wacky black helicopter types who fueled the militia movement back in the '90s, and they want to try to keep him in check i think for
let's hear a little more of senator lindsey graham. >> he's a man to himself. you got to remember, senator paul was the one senator who voted against a resolution that said the policy of the united states will not be to contain a nuclear capable iran. >> david, is this a sign of old gop versus newer guard of the gop? >> no. actually it's not. there's always been a split on the conservative movement within the republican party between interventionist republicans, neocons, and...
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although lindsey graham is also up for re-election. it is about trying to put a patchwork together. to not keep repeating the same issues. as richard point the out, you can't make him a one-term president anymore, so put that playbook away. start where we are now. positions people held over the last several years, some of it's relevant, some it not as much. you sort of have to be in the moment, and there is an urgency about trying to get a long-term deal. i think they've taken so many swings that the and failed, people are approaching it with a different attitude. at least some of the group that was a part of this last night. giving them all credit for sitting down, the president did make this happen. they went and attended. we heard from speaker boehner today about the ryan lunch saying he is not taking any message from me. the speaker thoroughly appreciates the fact that the president is talking to members, not just going through leadership. you know, we can make this a data point of bipart sfwlanship in what will be a long set of negotiations. >> we will take as many data points
although lindsey graham is also up for re-election. it is about trying to put a patchwork together. to not keep repeating the same issues. as richard point the out, you can't make him a one-term president anymore, so put that playbook away. start where we are now. positions people held over the last several years, some of it's relevant, some it not as much. you sort of have to be in the moment, and there is an urgency about trying to get a long-term deal. i think they've taken so many swings...
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i believe lindsey graham put together the dinner list. i think it was very smartly done because you had both conservative and moderate republicans in that room. which would breed some trust on the outside, that everybody was represented. i think that what the president is trying to do, the common-sense caucus that, you know, talking points coming out of the white house on this, there's no other option. the leadership doesn't have control of their caucuses. it's been proven time and time and time again. the president knows that. those folks in the white house know that. john boehner can't get a deal done because he doesn't have the support of his caucus. so let's go to the members of that caucus who could potentially put a deal together. there's no other option. this is the way it has to be done. and i think it's very smart what he's doing. >> michael steele, do you have an incisive analytical comment to make disguised as a question? >> no. look, i picked myself up off the floor after reading gene's piece this morning. you know, gene, brot
i believe lindsey graham put together the dinner list. i think it was very smartly done because you had both conservative and moderate republicans in that room. which would breed some trust on the outside, that everybody was represented. i think that what the president is trying to do, the common-sense caucus that, you know, talking points coming out of the white house on this, there's no other option. the leadership doesn't have control of their caucuses. it's been proven time and time and...
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lindsey graham commented on putting the group together. let's listen to lindsey graham. >> how do you say no to the president of the united states who would like to have dinner with some of your colleagues? you don't. when the president asked that i get together a group, i willingly and i was honored to try to do that. where this goes, i don't know. >> see how to explain the whole thing. almost apologizing for meeting with the president. the president will meet separately with the democratic and republican caucuses in both the house and the senate. joining me right now nia-malika henderson who covers all this. and former mayor willie brown. thank you for joining us. i want to talk about the appearance of this and the reality of this, which is more important? >> it is the appearance of it. for all reasons fall beyond anything we can ever fathom, this is the kind of thing that should have been done from the first day that the president was elected. he should have been able to develop a relationship with every person holding office one on one
lindsey graham commented on putting the group together. let's listen to lindsey graham. >> how do you say no to the president of the united states who would like to have dinner with some of your colleagues? you don't. when the president asked that i get together a group, i willingly and i was honored to try to do that. where this goes, i don't know. >> see how to explain the whole thing. almost apologizing for meeting with the president. the president will meet separately with the...
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and those are going to be attending this dinner tonight have been invited by the president lindsey graham really made this guest list. these are republican who is are perceived as being open or at least willing to talk about compromise when it comes to the budget issues when it comes to averting the sequester. also it's important to open to compromise to things like immigration reform, gun control. those are some of the items that are going to be on the agenda. but certainly the budget, a grand bargain will be the main course at tonight's dinner when president obama sits down with those 12 republicans. but, of course, this is sort of a larger outreach than we have seen in the past. we expect it to continue in the coming days and weeks. martin. >> kristen welker at the white house, thank you. here in new york is josh barrow and professor james peterson. professor, the president challenging critics who call him aloof and disengaged reaching out to the opposing side offering what's expected to be a real plan of entitlement cuts and new revenues. could tonight be the start of something big? >
and those are going to be attending this dinner tonight have been invited by the president lindsey graham really made this guest list. these are republican who is are perceived as being open or at least willing to talk about compromise when it comes to the budget issues when it comes to averting the sequester. also it's important to open to compromise to things like immigration reform, gun control. those are some of the items that are going to be on the agenda. but certainly the budget, a grand...
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lindsey graham had a response to that today. here it is. >> to my party, i'm a bit disappointed that you no longer apparently think we're at war. not senator paul. he's a man to himself. he has a view that i don't think is a republican view. i think is a legitimately held libertarian view. >> is this where the republican party is headed, a libertarian cam. and a traditional camp? i mean, the hypocrisy of, you know, a couple of these senators getting up, standing with rand paul on this. probably just to keep the filibuster going. but it just seems that they have really identified to the american people they've got an identity crisis, they don't even know where they stand on the use of military action if they've got the wrong president in there. >> look, certainly you have the libertarian camp and the national security camp for lack of a better word. rand paul versus mccain you're talking about. but look at now the immigration thing. some of them are coming out saying we need to change that. a lot of them are saying no, under no c
lindsey graham had a response to that today. here it is. >> to my party, i'm a bit disappointed that you no longer apparently think we're at war. not senator paul. he's a man to himself. he has a view that i don't think is a republican view. i think is a legitimately held libertarian view. >> is this where the republican party is headed, a libertarian cam. and a traditional camp? i mean, the hypocrisy of, you know, a couple of these senators getting up, standing with rand paul on...
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meanwhile, lindsey graham, intra-party scold got a _#of his own. primary graham. if there was any question about just how tense it might be in the upper chamber, the "new york times" ran this photo showing paul and mccain sharing an elevator ride after the elder senator accused the kentucky sion of disservice. hash tag, awkward. stephanie, we have talked ad nauz yum at this point about the lower chamber and the raucus caucus and how difficult a job speaker john boehner has in his words getting the frogs in the wheelbarrow. but this week i think exposed some serious changes, if not a rift within the elder wing -- the elder sort of establishment wing of the republican party in the upper chamber. not just on sequester but with the rand paul talky filibuster. >> i was pleased see that picture because normally there's a democrat standing there getting a scowl. >> i've been on elevators like that myself. you know, i think that, you know, i appreciate what senator mccain and senator graham were trying to say. under no circumstances are americans at home in danger of gett
meanwhile, lindsey graham, intra-party scold got a _#of his own. primary graham. if there was any question about just how tense it might be in the upper chamber, the "new york times" ran this photo showing paul and mccain sharing an elevator ride after the elder senator accused the kentucky sion of disservice. hash tag, awkward. stephanie, we have talked ad nauz yum at this point about the lower chamber and the raucus caucus and how difficult a job speaker john boehner has in his...
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. >> senators john mccain and lindsey graham's scathing response to paul's nearly 13-hour -- >> i thought it was rather insulting for the way that these gentlemen responded to this. >> your words, senator, john mccain and senator lindsey graham fighting vehemently to defend president obama's policy. it was a little disorienting. >> joining me right now is senator bernie sanders of vermont, a member of the senate budget committee. sir, good to have you here. we start with what politico is putting out as the headline. grand bargain back with a question mark. we look at what paul ryan said after lunch with the president, where i think hope is being borne from. everyone needs to be part of this conversation. we need an open debate about how best to balance the budget and expand opportunities. so, sir, outside of the lines of the continuing resolution coming out of the house side. what you month would you guesstimate that we mae get the grand bargain? >> the issue is not the grand bargain. the issue is what's in the grand bargain. when you have growing inequality, 100% of all new income genera
. >> senators john mccain and lindsey graham's scathing response to paul's nearly 13-hour -- >> i thought it was rather insulting for the way that these gentlemen responded to this. >> your words, senator, john mccain and senator lindsey graham fighting vehemently to defend president obama's policy. it was a little disorienting. >> joining me right now is senator bernie sanders of vermont, a member of the senate budget committee. sir, good to have you here. we start with...
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senator john mccain and lindsey graham both lablasted him for his filibuster, suggested it was not serious here is the sample of mccain's criticism and you will hear paul's response. >> somehow to allege that the united states of america our government would drop a drone hell fire missile on jane fonda, that is that brings the scrfertion a serious conversation u.s. policy to the realm of ridiculous. >> this was a very serious question. it was a question that took me a month and a half to get an answer to. >> meanwhile the top republican and democrat democratic leaders in the united states senate praised senator paul for his strong convictions and his stamina. shep? >> shepard: mike emanuel on capitol hill. thanks. remember, the north koreans saying we don't want to do war? that's over. north korea is now officially threatening to nuke washington, d.c. and in response, the united states is fully capable of defending itself against any north korean missile attack. that promise from both the state department and the white house just hours after this threat from the north korean to launch a pr
senator john mccain and lindsey graham both lablasted him for his filibuster, suggested it was not serious here is the sample of mccain's criticism and you will hear paul's response. >> somehow to allege that the united states of america our government would drop a drone hell fire missile on jane fonda, that is that brings the scrfertion a serious conversation u.s. policy to the realm of ridiculous. >> this was a very serious question. it was a question that took me a month and a...
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but some fellow republicans, including senators john mccain and lindsey graham are slamming rand's public protest and members of their own party have joined in. >> the country needs more senators who care about liberty. but if mr. paul wants to be taken seriously, he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids in their college dorms. he needs to know what he's talking about. >> to my republican colleagues, i don't remember any of you coming down here suggesting that president bush was going to kill anybody with a drone. yeah, i don't even remember the harshest critics of the -- of president bush on the democratic side. they had a drone program back then. so what is it? all of a sudden that this drone program has gotten every republican so spun up? to my party, i'm a bit disappointed that you no longer apparently think we're at war. >> "new york times" photographer caught this image yesterday of what must have been an interesting elevator ride for senators mccain and paul. >>> john brennan who's nomination to lead the cia was temporarily blocked
but some fellow republicans, including senators john mccain and lindsey graham are slamming rand's public protest and members of their own party have joined in. >> the country needs more senators who care about liberty. but if mr. paul wants to be taken seriously, he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids in their college dorms. he needs to know what he's talking about. >> to my republican colleagues, i don't remember any of you...
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senators lindsey graham and john mccain slammed rand paul, calling it an ill-informed stand. >> calm down, senator. mr. holder is right. even if he doesn't explain the law very well, the u.s. government cannot randomly target american citizens on u.s. soil or anywhere else. >> let's bring in our friday gaggle, former republican governor from maryland, and from the deputy editor and contributing writer for roll call, nathan gonzalez. governor, you want to go to you off the back, because this was fascinating with rand paul. >> one-day story. >> a fascinating divide, who would have thought that mitch mcconnell would run to the senate floor to bask in the flow of rand paul, and then lindsey graham and john mccain say sit down. what does this mean for 2016. could this libertarian wing -- >> i love the libertarian wing having a role in the party. i think it's very healthy. there may be something personal here. we don't know. this was a little strong by senator mccain. i don't know as far as any personal animosity. but at this point in the cycle, it's no big deal. it's a one-day story. but
senators lindsey graham and john mccain slammed rand paul, calling it an ill-informed stand. >> calm down, senator. mr. holder is right. even if he doesn't explain the law very well, the u.s. government cannot randomly target american citizens on u.s. soil or anywhere else. >> let's bring in our friday gaggle, former republican governor from maryland, and from the deputy editor and contributing writer for roll call, nathan gonzalez. governor, you want to go to you off the back,...
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now we have lindsey graham talking about the phone calls. susan collins, the phone call she received, and now this big dinner with these republican senators tonight. >> listen, it never ceases to amaze me how thin-skinned how members of congress are. you don't get elected to come down and socialize with the president. you get elected to come down and do the right thing for the constituents and the country. the idea that members of congress are making decisions based on the fact that they haven't gotten a phone call from the president or haven't gotten to hang out with hem at the without movie theater, that's ridiculous. frankly, whether the president is um here hobnobbing with congress or not, we should do the right thing for our constituents and the country. i don't buy this. i think this is republicans making excuses for why they're not sitting down and cooperating with the president. >> oddly enough you bring up the movie theater things, republicans were invited to view "lincoln" and nobody showed up. hopefully this will go well tonight.
now we have lindsey graham talking about the phone calls. susan collins, the phone call she received, and now this big dinner with these republican senators tonight. >> listen, it never ceases to amaze me how thin-skinned how members of congress are. you don't get elected to come down and socialize with the president. you get elected to come down and do the right thing for the constituents and the country. the idea that members of congress are making decisions based on the fact that they...
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he's doing the right thing according to lindsey graham. i mean, does this mean that there's a possibility that the president can work out a big bargain here or something? some kind of adjustment of compromise, james? >> well, listen. the president is always -- and he's shown himself to be willing and able to compromise. in fact, those of us on the left have been disturbed by some of the compromises that he has made. so he's always moving towards consensus. i think he's always demonstrated he's willing to work with folk in congress. this ryan budget is not a compromise. this is not the kind of compromise that the president will be able to buy into. essentially it changes the terms of the contract for medicare. but at the end of the day of course he's ready to compromise. he's already shown that. we just haven't seen that from the other side, rev. >> well, you say those of us on the left. the question is what's left after they meet? krystal ball and james peterson, thanks for your time this evening. >> thank you. >> don't forget to catch kry
he's doing the right thing according to lindsey graham. i mean, does this mean that there's a possibility that the president can work out a big bargain here or something? some kind of adjustment of compromise, james? >> well, listen. the president is always -- and he's shown himself to be willing and able to compromise. in fact, those of us on the left have been disturbed by some of the compromises that he has made. so he's always moving towards consensus. i think he's always demonstrated...
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lindsey graham offered some background yesterday afternoon. >> the president called senator mccain and myself a couple of weeks ago, and senator mccain was his opponent, as you all thou know, in 2008. i see the president reaching out. the dinner that was supposed to be quiet is sad that it makes news. >> he's right about that. graham's closest friends were on the list. graham also included republican senators who have a particular interest in the budget debate, so that included pat toomey. graham is the only senator up for re-election in 2014. miguel rodriguez was there. vice president biden, not at the dinner. maybe this is the start of a new outreach. in his first term, mr. obama's outreach to republicans was sporadic at best and though the president bristles when that's pointed out -- >> i promise you, we invite folks from congress over here all the time. and when they choose to come, i enjoy their company. sometimes they don't choose to come, and that has to do with the fact that i think they don't consider the optics useful for them politically. >> the fact of the matter is the wh
lindsey graham offered some background yesterday afternoon. >> the president called senator mccain and myself a couple of weeks ago, and senator mccain was his opponent, as you all thou know, in 2008. i see the president reaching out. the dinner that was supposed to be quiet is sad that it makes news. >> he's right about that. graham's closest friends were on the list. graham also included republican senators who have a particular interest in the budget debate, so that included pat...
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kelly ayotte and lindsey graham. what the white house is hoping to do is try to generate momentum or at least a conversation among some of the rank and file republicans. the reality is at a certain point he needs the republican leadership. he can't completely avoid having conversations with them. >> chris: whatever the president's motivation, the real question is, is there any basis for a deal here? is there a bridge that can be crossed on this? i was struck listening to paul ryan. he has obama care being repealed. he still wants the medicare structural reform. the premium supports. as he called it. others call it vouchers. i know the white house they at the talk about tax reform as opposed to ryan talk about keeping the rates up. not low aring rates just doing away with the loopholes so it is another tax increase. is there a deal there? >> i think it as cass many and the president picked lindsey graham to be the one to put the dinner together for a reason. he said he is open to new revenues which, of course, conserv
kelly ayotte and lindsey graham. what the white house is hoping to do is try to generate momentum or at least a conversation among some of the rank and file republicans. the reality is at a certain point he needs the republican leadership. he can't completely avoid having conversations with them. >> chris: whatever the president's motivation, the real question is, is there any basis for a deal here? is there a bridge that can be crossed on this? i was struck listening to paul ryan. he has...
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on thursday mccain and lindsey graham, as you know, skewered mr. paul, particularly his filibuster. so who wins this rare old tussle? is it the old guard or the new guard? >> it is an interesting establishment gop versus this tea party gop -- >> who wins? >> you know, i think rand paul within the conservative bubble comes out looking better. now, obviously to you and me we listen to it and graham and mccain are making more sense. rand paul is fighting a good fight against a problem that does not exist, a wild hypothetical that has not happened, perhaps never will happen. part of the gop's program of like real solutions for fake problems. americans in restaurants can rest assured that they will not be droned. >> i hope jane fonda knows that. >> especially if they're not combatants against america. so they can be comfortable tonight and into the future. but like rand paul 2016 is actually looking better. is he going to win the nomination? probably not. is he going to be president? certainly not. but he can be a player in 2016 and doing that thing we've seen in the primaries where you
on thursday mccain and lindsey graham, as you know, skewered mr. paul, particularly his filibuster. so who wins this rare old tussle? is it the old guard or the new guard? >> it is an interesting establishment gop versus this tea party gop -- >> who wins? >> you know, i think rand paul within the conservative bubble comes out looking better. now, obviously to you and me we listen to it and graham and mccain are making more sense. rand paul is fighting a good fight against a...
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gop senators including roy blunt, tom coburn, susan collins, bob porker, lindsey graham, and rob portman. he'll also dine tonight with 11 republican senators at the jefferson hotel and will travel to capitol hill next week to meet with caucuses in both the house and the senate. so far, the good will is being reciprocated. according to senator lindsey graham, what i see from the president is probably the most encouraging engagement on a big issue since the early days of his presidency. senator majority leader mitch mcconnell is all for daytont. >> frankly, i wish he'd done more of that over the years. we've had, all of us, very limited interaction with the president. he's certainly doesn't have to go through me to call on my members, and i'm sure he will, and i encourage him to do so. >> of course, necessity is usually the grandmother of change. despite several weeks of bully pulpit pressure, even the president acknowledged that his hands are tied unless congress decides to cooperate. >> this idea that somehow there's a secret formula or secret sauce to get speaker boehner or mitch mcconn
gop senators including roy blunt, tom coburn, susan collins, bob porker, lindsey graham, and rob portman. he'll also dine tonight with 11 republican senators at the jefferson hotel and will travel to capitol hill next week to meet with caucuses in both the house and the senate. so far, the good will is being reciprocated. according to senator lindsey graham, what i see from the president is probably the most encouraging engagement on a big issue since the early days of his presidency. senator...
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linds lindsey graham and kelly ayotte took the president up on his offer. other republicans gave the thumbs up and said, they had a good exchange of ideas. no word on the tab. but the white house said that the white house picked up the check. >>> we talked about having to establish a process to move forward and i got the sense that president obama's planning on probably doing something with a similar gathering with some dem senators. he seemed very sincere to get engaged in the process. trasie potts has more. >> reporter: part of that process that he was talking about is really setting a different atmosphere and a different tone for compromise. first of all, to let these republicans know that the president is willing to compromise and number two, to talk about some of these key issues not just the budget and of course the budget and the cuts from sequestration are a big part of where these differences lie. things like immigration and gun control and to sort of bring down the temperature between the two sides. now on the same day that was happening on capito
linds lindsey graham and kelly ayotte took the president up on his offer. other republicans gave the thumbs up and said, they had a good exchange of ideas. no word on the tab. but the white house said that the white house picked up the check. >>> we talked about having to establish a process to move forward and i got the sense that president obama's planning on probably doing something with a similar gathering with some dem senators. he seemed very sincere to get engaged in the...
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now, lindsey graham said i fully support the administration's opinion on drones overseas and suppose we had patriot missiles available, a military solution on 9/11, we would have taken those planes out, yes, we would have lost the lives on the plane, but saved the lives in the building. sometimes you can't rule out the military, even in the u.s., and he and holder agree on that. as i say, no member of the judiciary committee today where he was testifying completely said no, we shouldn't use drones in the u.s. against an american citizen. >> there's some people holding up signs protesting drones, there's a contingent of people that believe it immoral, yet in every public poll, this is the rare thing which partisans tend to agree, 60%, 70% support the use of drones to get suspected terrorists. how much do the politics of this play in, pete, that politicians are well aware that this is a policy that is wildly popular in the country. in terms of developing strictures and further rules and asking for more information? >> i think that may be part of it, but this is something that doesn't g
now, lindsey graham said i fully support the administration's opinion on drones overseas and suppose we had patriot missiles available, a military solution on 9/11, we would have taken those planes out, yes, we would have lost the lives on the plane, but saved the lives in the building. sometimes you can't rule out the military, even in the u.s., and he and holder agree on that. as i say, no member of the judiciary committee today where he was testifying completely said no, we shouldn't use...
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you saw him have john mccain and lindsey graham in for a private conversation this week. to me that was a very good sign. it's very important that they keep talking to each other and maybe on some issues like immigration they can make some progress. >> and, eugene, politically speaking the white house already starting to lay plans for what's going to happen in 2014. they need 17 seats to take control. that's a tall order. it would have to be clinton-like in terms of its achievement. >> it's a very tall order, particularly after redistricting has made a lot of safe districts for the republican majority. it's very difficult to draw a map and look at it and see how they pick up those 17 seats. then again, we're getting used to some pretty big swings in the house. >> no doubt. >> and not all anticipated. >> thank you. >> it happens. >> thank you. >> you gene robinson. thank you, jonathan alter. >>> up next, it's happened yet again, the right wing falls for another story without checking into whether it's true. this is "hardball," the place for politics. her recipe with sharon
you saw him have john mccain and lindsey graham in for a private conversation this week. to me that was a very good sign. it's very important that they keep talking to each other and maybe on some issues like immigration they can make some progress. >> and, eugene, politically speaking the white house already starting to lay plans for what's going to happen in 2014. they need 17 seats to take control. that's a tall order. it would have to be clinton-like in terms of its achievement....
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. >> lindsey graham made it clear to me that in exchange for major entitlement reform, social security, medicare, medicaid, he would support what's called a grand bargain and include major tax reform that could potentially increase tax revenues but you've got to have a big package deal. would you go along with that? >> i don't know what the plan is. i don't know what the list is. i'm serving on the finance committee. we're having a hearing tomorrow. the president's on the air every other whipstitch blaming republicans we just want to eliminate these taxes for the rich. what is he talking about? he's been talking about on the campaign trail shutting down the oil and gas industry in kansas, shutting down agriculture, lending institutions, et cetera, et cetera, all sorts of executive orders and regulations. in terms of tax reform and the loopholes, where are they? what's the plan? where's the list? >> well, would you be able to get into negotiations? >> i'm always ready to get into negotiations. i know numbers are important but the policy is an important as well. yeah, we want to do that.
. >> lindsey graham made it clear to me that in exchange for major entitlement reform, social security, medicare, medicaid, he would support what's called a grand bargain and include major tax reform that could potentially increase tax revenues but you've got to have a big package deal. would you go along with that? >> i don't know what the plan is. i don't know what the list is. i'm serving on the finance committee. we're having a hearing tomorrow. the president's on the air every...
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surprised to hear lindsey graham say that. we'll talk about rand paul but he's a thorn in the side about rand paul and the president -- this is what happened, the president saw tom brokaw, bill keller of the washington times and washington post and these liberal institutions and people, a little to the left saying, it looks like a campaign. >> chris: even the peanut gallery. >> this is a campaign here, you just got elected, a second term now and it is time to get something done and when people on the left, slightly on the left are saying that, the president said, actually, i have to make it looks like, charm offensive, whatever you want to call it. breaking bread but the fact he has to go around leadership, even the second term, why do you have to go around leadership? it is what it is. that is the world as it exists and i know he says he doesn't want to be dictator. he's not and can't wave a wand and get everything done, and the fact is you have to deal with the players on the chess board. boehner and mcconnell aed the leader
surprised to hear lindsey graham say that. we'll talk about rand paul but he's a thorn in the side about rand paul and the president -- this is what happened, the president saw tom brokaw, bill keller of the washington times and washington post and these liberal institutions and people, a little to the left saying, it looks like a campaign. >> chris: even the peanut gallery. >> this is a campaign here, you just got elected, a second term now and it is time to get something done and...
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john mccain and lindsey graham. john mccain not much of a constituency in the republican party and graham worrying about a primary in 2014. rand paul showed that the republican party is coming around to paulism and he's a lot craftier than his father to bringing it around. >> to toure's point, that's problematic for the party because the rhetoric is still the old 2010 tea party makers and takers, i'm randism and damaging to the brand and so far out there. supports a complete ban of abortion and to the extent to embrace that, i don't think that's a positive development to the party. >> that's mane striming it. >> graham is promoting a fear of the american government, especially the obama-led, fear of american government and hear a lot from the savages and these people. that's just not -- >> then let -- if the fear is out there, let the administration address it and holder started to do that today. that's a positive letter. >> all right. >>> while they were all talk, the president and other republicans were fine dinin
john mccain and lindsey graham. john mccain not much of a constituency in the republican party and graham worrying about a primary in 2014. rand paul showed that the republican party is coming around to paulism and he's a lot craftier than his father to bringing it around. >> to toure's point, that's problematic for the party because the rhetoric is still the old 2010 tea party makers and takers, i'm randism and damaging to the brand and so far out there. supports a complete ban of...
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now, again, john mccain, republican from arizona, lindsey graham, republican from south carolina, have both said over the weekend on the sunday talk shows that they are holding out the possibility of still holding up the john brennan confirmation vote. my guess is at the end of the day they don't particularly after you see some of these concessions from the white house, so my guess is brennan does go through later in the week, and at that point, andrea, you now have all of the major no, ma'am nags that the president made in terms of his cabinet level offices. they all went through. they didn't go through probably exactly as he planned. chuck hagel may be more contentious, although my guess is they knew it was going to be contentious, but john kerry, chuck hagel, jack lew, and now likely john brennan, so the president is getting the cabinet that he wanted, though, you know, the path toward it was a little bit of a roller coaster. >> owe think quite a bit of a roller coaster, i would say, about chuck hagel, and he still has to prove that he hasn't been damaged internally at the pentagon
now, again, john mccain, republican from arizona, lindsey graham, republican from south carolina, have both said over the weekend on the sunday talk shows that they are holding out the possibility of still holding up the john brennan confirmation vote. my guess is at the end of the day they don't particularly after you see some of these concessions from the white house, so my guess is brennan does go through later in the week, and at that point, andrea, you now have all of the major no, ma'am...
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that's the real lindsey graham/rand paul divide. and that's why in some ways democrats can't say this but they're actually quietly ok with the sequester. what it does is it cuts defense in a way -- the political process would not be able to do. obviously obama has always wanted this grand bargain. the politics is not been able to work for it. but he's also said -- chris: isn't this the bargain? isn't this second best solution by both sigh, this sequester? >> yes. chris: is this the solution? >> if the depresses demand too much -- chris: it's not doing that apparently. >> if it doesn't, i'm all for it. >> there's a possibility to adjust among different budget counts talking to people who run our military services, talking to people in the intelligence community, they do have real problems and they're not going to be able to watch a spy satellite. they're having trouble juggling ship positions. chris: my question goes back to you, is there incentive enough for both parties to give, real gliv until it hurts? the fact the republicans ha
that's the real lindsey graham/rand paul divide. and that's why in some ways democrats can't say this but they're actually quietly ok with the sequester. what it does is it cuts defense in a way -- the political process would not be able to do. obviously obama has always wanted this grand bargain. the politics is not been able to work for it. but he's also said -- chris: isn't this the bargain? isn't this second best solution by both sigh, this sequester? >> yes. chris: is this the...
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republican senator lindsey graham says he just spoke with the president by phone. take a listen to what he said. >> i'm very encouraged by what i've seen from the president in terms of substance and tone. he's calling people. this is how you solve hard problems. what i see from the president is probably the most encouraging engagement on a big issue i have seen since the early years of his presidency. >> i'm really sorry to repeat history, but haven't we seen this before? the president compromises. the president goes to extreme lengths and guess what happens? the sequester happens. or there's a fight other the debt ceiling, or the continuing resolution will be brutal. what's the point? >> well, you have got a good point. essentially graham is one of the folks who is saying we have to have more revenues. he said he's open to $600 billion to revenues and the president is trying to reach out and see if that can be done. the situation we're in now is paul ryan has essentially a dog ate the homework kind of budget. nobody has to take responsible for these brutal cuts th
republican senator lindsey graham says he just spoke with the president by phone. take a listen to what he said. >> i'm very encouraged by what i've seen from the president in terms of substance and tone. he's calling people. this is how you solve hard problems. what i see from the president is probably the most encouraging engagement on a big issue i have seen since the early years of his presidency. >> i'm really sorry to repeat history, but haven't we seen this before? the...
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you have the neocon people like lindsey graham and john mccain who are ready at the snap of the fingers to go to war. that's the first solution. let's go to war. they always have one ready. then you have the very conservative, old pat buchanan breed, of people like rand paul who are very suspicious of our power being used for any purpose besides basic national defense. >> yeah, right. that's the split in the republican party and they're going to have to deal with that. the other thing he was driving at i think is, look, i personally, like a lot of democrats i guess, i have confidence -- i know that president obama thinks about the use of drones and i know that he and -- i have confidence in him -- >> suppose cheney were president right now. >> exactly. >> right now. >> he's only going to be president for another 3 1/2 years. others are going to follow, and unless we kind of think about what sort of limits, if any, we want to put -- >> you remember cheney's speech about the shadowlands and the gray areas of the world and the hallways and the back hauls. >> exactly. >> he talks like that.
you have the neocon people like lindsey graham and john mccain who are ready at the snap of the fingers to go to war. that's the first solution. let's go to war. they always have one ready. then you have the very conservative, old pat buchanan breed, of people like rand paul who are very suspicious of our power being used for any purpose besides basic national defense. >> yeah, right. that's the split in the republican party and they're going to have to deal with that. the other thing he...
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the fact that he is saying that lindsey graham has suggested the same thing. paul ryan is sitting at home trying to figure out a way to balance the budget in ten years. >> i think it is a good thing in taking that revenue and putting it and not using it to combat the deficit. >> it soupd sounds like they ar saying let's use some of it for deficit reduction. >> that is tiny. >> i guess it is. to me, it seems like the line has been in the last month. it was the line before the revenues got passed. we can't talk about any tax some every time that is invoked in the context of nef virevenue, i only discuss it in the context of opening up the tax code of being litigated and legislated in which case nothing is going to done. >> if they can figure out a way around it, the bush tax cuts were a lowering taxes because they doubled them on january 1st. if there was a way to make them about combatting the deficit and saying this is a tax hike, i feel like they could be baited into a tax hike. if it is plausible to get more revenue it is going to have to be in the context o
the fact that he is saying that lindsey graham has suggested the same thing. paul ryan is sitting at home trying to figure out a way to balance the budget in ten years. >> i think it is a good thing in taking that revenue and putting it and not using it to combat the deficit. >> it soupd sounds like they ar saying let's use some of it for deficit reduction. >> that is tiny. >> i guess it is. to me, it seems like the line has been in the last month. it was the line before...